- Vikas Dhiman i believe ... it is to make world a better living place ... sort of. and yes science can answer this ... mainly sociology and psychology. But we need a premise.
- Nidhi Agarwal i think...life is our own...purpose of life is to live for oneself..n realise our dreams :) (though not at others cost)..
at all others fronts...i m still seeking an answer
- Vikas Chauhan I think religion also answers this , but more in abstract kinda way. For eg. making yourself and others happy. Any one agrees me on this ?
- Nidhi Agarwal i do agree but i have questions....if life's purpose is this, why dont must of us actually realise this?
- Vikas Chauhan Many of us do realize this.And by the way as Vikas said, its to make our world a better place. I don't know how many people realize that either. Humans are not perfect and there are exceptions.
Vikas Dhiman
>>"realize your dreams"
I have many dreams and I know I can't fulfill all of them ... how should I choose one ? I think the answer is to go where abilities, resources and interests match.
>> "making yourself and others happy"
You can't make everyone happy. Making myself happy may make someone else sad. Where to draw the line ?- Vikas Chauhan
>> You can't make e...veryone happy. Making myself happy may make someone else sad
Making myself happy may make someone else sad
True, but as I said, humans are not perfect and I will try to do things to maximize the number of people who are happy. And, I think that would be the right thing to do .
- Nidhi Agarwal @VD..yes, dreams wud always b in direction of our interest..however, resources can b considered a limiting factor..abilities is wht we continuously seek to increase
@VC..but to maximize tht..u might urself becum sad..thn wht do u do?
- Vikas Chauhan >> I have many dreams and I know I can't fulfill all of them ... how should I choose one ?
Then I think you would have to narrow down the meaning of "dreams" a little bit.I mean think only of things , which you aspire to do.
- Gautam Suryavanshi Purpose of life is to EXPLORE new, unknown things and venture boldly into unknown territories....
- Vikas Chauhan >> but to maximize tht..u might urself becum sad..thn wht do u do?
Well, it again depends on the person. Some live for others. Some live for themselves.
- Vikas Chauhan >> Purpose of life is to EXPLORE new, unknown things and venture boldly into unknown territories....
Same as "To make our world a better place"
- Nidhi Agarwal unknown territories doesnt mean making the world a better place...get a cue from "127 hours"..
well gautam cud point better in which direction was his intent
- Nidhi Agarwal so everybdy is havin its own perceptions and different dreams!!
does this make sense?? or are we still divergent?
- Vikas Chauhan hey , I thought "venturing into unknown territories" means "to try to discover new unexplored things" :)
- Vikas Chauhan >> so everybdy is havin its own perceptions and different dreams!!
may be true. For some like insects, its "surviving this world".
Vikas Dhiman
>> n once u achieve thm, thn u cud aspire for new ones
the question remains same... which one first
Gautam's example is pure example of an individual's dream.
Let's also consider the second part of the question. Can science answer this question ?
I mean, if the purpose of everyone's life is to realize his own dream. Can you scientifically justify that or is it just arbitrary ?
- Nidhi Agarwal which ones first?? thts upto individual choice i think
2nd part of question
dont have any scientific justification :(
- Vikas Chauhan >> the question remains same... which one first
difficult question . It's a vicious cycle.
- Vikas Chauhan >> I mean, if the purpose of everyone's life is to realize his own dream. Can you scientifically justify that or is it just arbitrary ?
May be to some extent, based on your personality ( which can be scientifically analyzed )
Vikas Dhiman
ok ... i have been thinking of a premise that can lead us to a conclusion on moral questions in scientific grounds.
Consider two societies, that have been preached there purpose of life. One got 'realize your dreams". Other got "make yourself and others happy". By Darwin's natural selection, one of societies outlast the other after 100 generations. Which society was the one to do so ?
- Nidhi Agarwal now let me tell another scenario...in a classroom a prof is teachin..said the marks will b awarded on an equal basis (i.e. everybdy marks averaged out)...n from tht day..nbody worked..and the class performanance went down n down..
- Nidhi Agarwal social good is a misnomer....for every action we say we did for others, thrs one own selfish ground hidden deep inside
- Nidhi Agarwal i was tryin to just give another svenario....tht holds the same ground as the previous scenario
- Vikas Chauhan >> thr needs to be evolution and progress and shd nt b stagnant..tht was my point
even if that progress is at the cost of other lives ?
- Vikas Chauhan thought that evolution and survival are two sides of same coin.
- Nidhi Agarwal selfish..doesnt mean to do harm to others,.it means to think of oneself first when u have to make a choice..
n when one keeps evolving..only thn one can survive in the actual sense ( else its just the breath taken in n out)
Vikas Dhiman consider a team ... where each one think about the best of his on self (on a narrow mindset) ...
another team where each one thinks of the best of the team ( still the best of his own self but on a broader mindset)
Vikas Dhiman the best part of Darwin's natural selection is that you have to think about coming generations ... not just yourself.
- Vikas Dhiman let's go back to the two society example ... to understand how darwin theory do not encourages selfishness.
- Nidhi Agarwal i guess he is sayin tht broad mind and selfish approach is two diff..n not one..is this wht u r saying??
Vikas Dhiman by an 'broad minded selfish person" , Imean, a person who understands that harming the team may harm himself.
Vikas Dhiman >> But isn't "survival of the fittest" somewhat contradictory to "not being selfish"
I have a counter example of that. But I may be wrong.
Vikas Dhiman >> I mean mightier life destroys less feeble life.
A might society destroys feeble society.
- Nidhi Agarwal i hav one thing..mighty life destroyed feeble only when their own existence was at stake
Vikas Dhiman >> i hav one thing..mighty life destroyed feeble only when their own existence was at stake
or if there is a resource crunch
- Nidhi Agarwal if mindless destruction does on for pure pleasure...nobdy wud survive...but we r not taking into account
>>resoirce crunch is okay
- Nidhi Agarwal he is important for the food chain ecosystem to be maintained..this has happened in real life n i hav actually read about it in the paper..so even a tiger eatin a deer is neceesary for maintaining the ecosystem
- Vikas Chauhan But think of one thing. The deer must have a purpose of it's existence. It's not just there for being eaten by the tiger :)
Vikas Dhiman Both could fit into the society at the same time. We are talking about competing societies here. Deer and tiger are not competing societies, they are interdependent.
- Vikas Dhiman competing in the way that if dear works hard enough...he will eventually eat the tiger ... :)
Vikas Chauhan I mean competing societies. - Nidhi Agarwal well well..one answer...the deer might b thr for tht purpose only.
if the deer works hard enuf, it will run faster n escape the tiger
Vikas Dhiman >> if the deer works hard enuf, it will run faster n escape the tiger
that's why deers are able to co-exist in the jungle
- Vikas Chauhan Isn't that all can be broadly classified under the same purpose . i.e. to "survive this world"
Vikas Dhiman We have two competing societies ... both underwent slavery ... one had "self-less" people like Bhagat Singh ... other did not. Which one is more suitable for Darwin's natural selection ?
- Vikas Dhiman that's the example where Darwin's natural selection do not promotes selfishness. because it forces us to think about our grand-grand children.
Vikas Dhiman believe me or not ... a feeling that someone died for cause can make that cause popular.
Vikas Dhiman So as a conclusion... we should have a purpose in life that makes this world a better place for "my" grand-grand children
- Vikas Chauhan @Vikas, I was somewhat confused there ( regarding the true process of natural selection ), so for the time being I am just following you :)
Vikas Dhiman that includes morals like planting trees ... living in peace ... inventing technology ... earning more money ... finding a good mate ... etc.
- Vikas Chauhan so, that means science and religion both have equal place. Or may be 70:30 combination.
- Nidhi Agarwal science does not say about dreams...but we have drawn some conclusions in the beginning...we r going back there
- Nidhi Agarwal we r talking about abstract question...purpose..not life..answer wud b drawn frm conclusions
Vikas Dhiman i think religion was a result of unconcious natural selection ... societies started making rules ... the societies that survived ... there rules were termed as religion
- Vikas Chauhan >> the societies that survived ... there rules were termed as religion
brilliant answer.
- Nidhi Agarwal i think religion was formed by power hungy people who thought tht they cud either lead people to believing their won views..by making them fear the unknown
- Vikas Chauhan I agree with the scientific approach only, since it's proved that religion is byproduct of evolution only
- Nidhi Agarwal yes n even this is taught by science,,,evolution rules :) not survival of the fittest but a diff one..harmony wid ur surroundings..more so a philosophical one
- Vikas Chauhan philosophy is somewhat different kind of science, albeit more of psychological nature. So yes, true.
- Nidhi Agarwal agreed!! n evolution in everybdy's terms in diff..yet it is party society n partly our own gud
Vikas Dhiman
ya .. i think the result is a mix of dreams and duties ...
but I would also like to formalize it as a definition.
The Purpose of life of a humans is to live in such a way that his coming generations have a better way to live. He should work in a direction where he can give his best. Of course that should be in line of his interests, so that he can give maximum output. Though resource and abilities will always help you in narrowing down your interests.
Vikas Dhiman The Purpose of life of a human is to live in such a way that his coming generations have a better way to live. He should work in a direction where he can give his best. Of course that should be in line of his interests, so that he can give maximum output. Though resource and abilities will always help you in narrowing down your interests. Rest and fun are a necessary part as they will help you not to get bored or demotivated, again maximizing the output.
Saturday, February 12, 2011
Purpose of life
Saturday, December 25, 2010
Missed Miss's call
I was on leave yesterday, and a beautiful colleague of mine called
me. Damn it! I missed her call. Perhaps I should inquire before taking a
leave.
"Hey! I hope you are not gonna call me tomorrow because I'm planning to take a leave."
Just kidding. I can call her on Monday anyway.
"Hey! I hope you are not gonna call me tomorrow because I'm planning to take a leave."
Just kidding. I can call her on Monday anyway.
Tuesday, December 14, 2010
Rise of wikileaks and information age
What does the rise of wikileaks signify? Does is signify an age where there is no personal privacy? With the rise of micro-cameras and microphones, with the rise of sting operations, with the rise of Google, have you arrived in an age where you have no personal privacy.
But what does this mean? From an optimistic point of view, I see this as an age where honesty will be valued again, transparency will be obvious. I see this as an age where a killing in Baghdad moves hearts in New York. I see this as an age where planning a war will become impossible without the enemy getting to know about it. I see this age as वसुधैव कुटुम्भकम
But what does this mean? From an optimistic point of view, I see this as an age where honesty will be valued again, transparency will be obvious. I see this as an age where a killing in Baghdad moves hearts in New York. I see this as an age where planning a war will become impossible without the enemy getting to know about it. I see this age as वसुधैव कुटुम्भकम
Saturday, December 11, 2010
Give your best to whatever you do
Perhaps this is not what I want others to read. This blog is accumulation of negative thoughts that I don't want to disclose in public and more importantly I don't want any sympathetic comments.
This world is not place of genius or perhaps it is (which means I am wrong). This world is a place of mediocrity; by it's definition mediocrity should be the be the most prevalent adjective in the world. Best is one and worst is one, rest all are mediocre's. In a population of 6 billion people, to win over mediocrity we need 1.5 billion skills/sports each having different *Best* and the *Worst*.
I am trying to prove this because I am a mediocre. And I don't want to condemn myself on being a mediocre. Yes, I do want to improve but in case I don't succeed, perhaps it's OK. May be I am not doing what I wanted to do, but I can give my best to whatever I do.
I hope this clears my mind and let me give my best to whatever I do.
This world is not place of genius or perhaps it is (which means I am wrong). This world is a place of mediocrity; by it's definition mediocrity should be the be the most prevalent adjective in the world. Best is one and worst is one, rest all are mediocre's. In a population of 6 billion people, to win over mediocrity we need 1.5 billion skills/sports each having different *Best* and the *Worst*.
I am trying to prove this because I am a mediocre. And I don't want to condemn myself on being a mediocre. Yes, I do want to improve but in case I don't succeed, perhaps it's OK. May be I am not doing what I wanted to do, but I can give my best to whatever I do.
I hope this clears my mind and let me give my best to whatever I do.
Tuesday, December 7, 2010
My life my morals
Morals of a persons are specific to himself. My morals are negative in nature; that is they define things not to do. Furthermore, perhaps my morals are the minimalist subset of what a normal person's might be. Here's a key principle that can define most of my morals.
The first principle enforces the morals of honesty, equality, healthy competition etc. but allows the possibility of self defence. The second principle enforces global responsibility like fighting against global warming etc. Interestingly, second principle classifies voluntary celibacy as immoral.
- Never do a thing to a person that you won't like to be done to yourself. In case you are expecting an unfavorable action from the person, it's permissible to take a similar action that avoids the unfavorable circumstance for you. The unfavorable circumstance created for the other person should be less or equally severe to the unfavorable circumstance that you expect to be created by the person. The order of severity for the other person is same as yours.
- Never do a thing that, if extrapolated, makes sustainable life impossible on the planet. By extrapolation I mean that if every person on earth starts doing the same thing.
The first principle enforces the morals of honesty, equality, healthy competition etc. but allows the possibility of self defence. The second principle enforces global responsibility like fighting against global warming etc. Interestingly, second principle classifies voluntary celibacy as immoral.
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